This little .bat allows you to download 3 demo/patch files from the blue byte ftp servers, after extracting and renaming some
files you got a DATA and GFX folder which allow you to play RttR (No original version needed)

https://bugs.launchpad.net/s25rttr/+bug/963930

This one should work for linux (not tested)

https://bugs.launchpad.net/s25rttr/+bug/966564

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thats very nice! :)

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I thought legally, you need to own a copy of Settlers II, otherwise the Mod is "illegal".

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That was the point - but you can download all files this downloader downloads legally and after renaming some you can play RttR => its not illegal.

The mod is legal anyway - but you are not able to play without settlers 2 gold, downloading this would be illegal but not to download demo/patch files ;)

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Wow, you should include this in the official releases!

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Already send a PM to flosoft - nastx also has a script for linux I think.

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Woops forgot the script^^ It should work with linux already, but i need to find it again xD

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>> Du programmierst doch auch Perl, wie wärs denn mit einem
>> Verbesserungsvorschlag (kürzer, speicherschonender, gleiche
>> Funktionalität, ...)?

Kein Perl.

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yeah nastx, I made it to fix your script :D

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Zitat von Pechente:

I don't think that we should include this in an official release. It may seem as it is legal but in fact we have no idea about the rules & regulations.

Let it be a standalone project.

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Well,One teammember said somewhen that this would be legal - lets wait for flosoft

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We do not have lawyers. Ubisoft does. ;)

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Hasn't flosoft one?

linux script at first page.

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http://www.open-ra.org hat neben einem CD-Image-Extraktor einen integrierten Downloader für die Freeware-Daten von Command & Conquer Tiberiumkonflikt und Alarmstufe Rot, der beim ersten Spielstart aufpoppt. Sie hosten die Dateien sogar selber.

Da ich selber Die Siedler II ohne Goldedition besitze habe ich keinerlei Skrupel euer Skript zu verwenden.

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Nur, dass die nicht an ubisoft hängen denke ich ;)

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Kann das Script bitte wer für OS X anpassen? Hab schon selbst mein Glück versucht, allerdings funktioniert curl anders als wget nachdem ich
dann noch etwas versucht hab zu ändern erhalte ich am Schluss immer noch ein "cp: DATA/MISSIONS is a directory (not copied)". Allerdings
kenne ich im Terminal auch nicht besonders gut aus ;)

Das hab ich bisher

Code:

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Windows:

Well, I fixed now a bug which caused, that you couldn't play winter/wasteland maps - It should work but it was very strange because I encountered some "Crash-to-Desktop" but after restarting the game I could run the map... strange because I had no error message in the cmd window. Maybe someone could continue testing.

Linux:

Somebody wrote a lot in launchpad, but I have no linux and no knowledge about that os, so I hope somebody could confirm everything he wrote, I will upload the .sh script if somebody gives me one or he uploads it by himself.

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Ich würde einfach http://dirk-weise.de/2009/02/wget-fur-mac-os-x-installieren/ Das DATA/MISSIONS ausgelassen wird ist glaube ich Absicht, weil es nur um die MIS*BOBS.LST Dateien geht.

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Naja das wäre aber keine Möglichkeit falls der Code irgendwann im Spiel landet. Man kann ja nicht alle auffordern wget zu installieren ;D Wenn
die Meldung mit DATA/MISSIONS richtig ist, scheint das Script aber schon wunderbar zu laufen :)

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Eine aktualisierte Fassung des Bash-Scripts für Linux findest du unter https://bugs.launchpad.net/s25rttr/+bug/966564/comments/10 Dann sollte auch das Winterszenario funktionieren. Wie gesagt es gibt am Anfang nicht reproduzierbare Abstürze und danach klappt es merkwürderweise.

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I packaged this into an RPM at https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=games&package=s25rttr-demoloader which triggers the script automagically. This seems to be legal enough for openSUSE. This is how proprietary content is usually installed, see http://software.opensuse.org/package/pullin-flash-player for example.

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To me it seems to be not strictly illegal, but if Ubisoft finds out they might simply remove the demos and patches from BlueByte FTP. Maybe some EULA also forbid this in countries were those EULAs are valid (in Germany they seem to violate customer rights). As an alternative you might want to link http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_settlers_2_gold_edition which is DRM free, but it only comes with a Windows installer afaik.

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I'd say the best thing to do is to keep this just community knowledge and not make it any way official. Over a longer period of time I think it would still be for the best to create similar 8-bit replacement graphics, sounds and music for everything in the game just like people have done with OpenTTD.

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Well, these are just demos - and only some files load, you could this by yourself and you wont have any problems with the question if its lega or not

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Zitat von Merri:

+1 !!! I mentioned this idea earlier but people didn't seem to like it. It's sad I'm not that great creating 8-Bit graphics. If I was, I'd immediately help by
working on this concept.

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That would of course be the most elegant solution. As you are already working on new buildings which look very nice and I also saw a terrain replacement which was high-quality (even superior to the default ones) this seems doable. However animating all those little settlers might be time-consuming. For https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/wiki/Pixelart I recently translated a tutorial on how to convert 3D models of infantry to sprites. Don't know if this is helpful for you.

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its definitely not illegal and im not a fan of replacement graphics, because i like the original graphics to much and i dont want something like widelands ^^

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Yep I Want additional graphics which could be loaded as default graphics but not to replace all old graphics, I never would support that!

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So, with that logic I shall enter the troll mode: the new Babylonian graphics look just like Widelands!!!11!1!111

Now. Then. You can keep the support for using original graphics, nothing takes that away, but eventually to make it easier for new people and to gain more popularity by far easier installation process it is a huge must to have replacement graphics. There is no way around this fact. RttR is cumbersome to install right now, the Windows installer that is easily obtained off this site's download page is still in German and if it tells me to copy Settlers II files to it's installation location... I can't read that. I don't know how many people try out RttR and remove it immediately simply because they can't get it working.

And then people wonder why RttR doesn't take off and Widelands, despite graphical look that is much worse, is so popular in comparison! It is so much easier to grab and get into Widelands, and it does offer the experience that matters. For many people that is enough.


I am, and I'm going to be hard with this opinion. RttR will never succeed if the project wants to serve only the old fans who already have Settlers II. RttR also has to appeal new fans, new players, and the only way to pave that road is to make it as easy as possible to get the game working. RttR can't provide original graphics due to Ubisoft's legal dictation so the only way around that is a lot of original work.


Widelands is a project inspired by The Settlers II.

Return to the Roots is the spiritual continuation of The Settlers II.

But lets make RttR stand on it's own credits, and not only on the original game's fame.

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I agree that something needs to be done to make things easier, especially for non-german speakers.


People really play Widelands? That game looks so awful :D.

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Most game engine recreations just pop up a message where to place the game files. http://www.open-ra.org/ does this in a very user-friendly way by showing a dialog that will rip the original CDs automatically or offer a download of a stripped down version. The old Command & Conquer titles are now Freeware. https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/wiki/FAQ answer the "Is that legal?" with "maybe". They say they will remove the content immediately when EA urges them to and they keep it strictly non-commercial (no money donations allowed).

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Zitat:

Maybe not like Widelands but not as good as the original graphics.

I'm also not saying that we shouldn't create own graphics to replace old grapics - they all work the same way, means If we have a new race, we can replace all other because they are the same. The only point that I got is, that we should never exclude the usage of old graphics. This only means, that if you have the graphics they should be still used instead of our new graphics - then the game could run without original graphics and look like widelands or you can use the original graphics.

But this is not a permanent replacement it's just default.

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I have to counter that. When browsing through http://www.siedler25.org/index.php?com=forum&mod=forum&action=forum&id=23 I have the feeling that you immitate the drawing style of the original quite well for the babylons.

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FYI: https://rttr.info/index.php?com=forum&mod=forum&action=thread&id=881

Or whichever domain of the half a dozen different ones you use (this is another issue I'd like to see fixed!)

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Zitat von Merri:

it's really trolling :D nothing looks like wideland graphics here...
their graphics dont fit together in my opinion, because they have to much artists who can't agree on a specific style :S

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I wrote that line to prove my point: replacement graphics wouldn't be anything like Widelands.

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I think OpenTTD still has support for the original graphics. You can just choose to replace them with http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx if you like.

Another game http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ also works with demo files, but tells you that some graphics are missing and features are therefor limited.

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To get back to the topic. The demo loader is not fully complete

Some files in Data/Textures are missing for me. I only have GOURAUD0.DAT while the settlers gold edition comes with

GOU5.DAT
GOU6.DAT
GOU7.DAT
GOURAUD.DAT
GOURAUD0.DAT
GOURAUD1.DAT

Same for /DATA/EDITRES.IDX

These seem to be required for https://code.launchpad.net/~xaser/s25rttr/s25edit

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Maybe we can reuse one of these project's tools to copy the data from a CD to the RTTR directory?

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It is open source baby!

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By the way you are already hosting http://launchpad.net/s25rttr/s25client/0.6/+download/s25rttr_music.tar.bz2 which is not very consequent if you want to value BlueByte's copyright at all costs or is this a free replacement like OpenMSX for Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe?

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Nope, those are original MIDI compositions converted to OGG, however, by using a buggy interpreter. They don't sound as they're intended, like song 8 sounds first OK but at around 45 seconds it starts breaking your ears.

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Zitat:

I made the loade for RttR not for the editor - never tryed that one.

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may be, time come to refresh actual stabile version up from 0.7.2?

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I think they are currently working intensely on getting a somewhat stable version again :).

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I love that everyday there is an update :>

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hmm wrong topic? :S

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Zitat von Parasit:

The Demoloader would be there to make things easier. One step to making things easier in general is also getting a new stable version ready.

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